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  Current WT Library CD

  by grewupjw1969 in

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  im looking for the current cd if anyone has it and is willing to burn me a copy.

  i am willing to pay for it along with shipping.. .

  grewup.

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  moggy lover

  Thanks a million zillion tetraquintillion, Black Sheep. I got it and installed it.

  Works beautifully.
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  Golden Age Quotes--You have to see it to believe it.

  by blondie in

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  question: will husband and wife live together after the resurrection is completed, if both are in harmony with god?.

  answer: the scriptures do not reveal what the relationship of men and women will be after the resurrection is completed.

  the most that we know is that there will be no children born during the last 100 years of the millennium (isa.

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  moggy lover

  Conversation held during the post millennium "new world":

  He: "Oh Justine, you are still so ravishingly beautiful after all these centuries. Your eyes are still as blue as a mountain lake in Switzerland [use other metaphors for brown, black, grey, amber etc] and your body is just as desirable as when we married more than a millennium ago. I love you so much I can spray your body with chocolate and lick it all off"

  Him: "it's Justin"
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  Current WT Library CD

  by grewupjw1969 in

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  im looking for the current cd if anyone has it and is willing to burn me a copy.

  i am willing to pay for it along with shipping.. .

  grewup.

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  moggy lover

  Same goes for me
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  Memorial 2010 Your Experiences

  by scotinsw in

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  just got back from memorial.

  only went so that i could say to my parents that i had gone and to remind myself why i left.. oh my word!!!

  it was sooooo painful.. got there a bit late - it was a couple of minutes into the talk.

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  moggy lover

  Memorial vs Tandoorie chicken, jalfrazi and rice pilau?????

  NO Contest!!!!

  Cheers
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  Maher Shalal Hash Baz: do you know this guy?

  by behemot in

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  http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/music/83566/maher-shalal-hash-baz-at-the-new-museum-concert-preview.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/maher_shalal_hash_baz.

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  moggy lover

  There was a TV series a few years back called "Threat Matrix". One of my favourites but which did not run for more than one series for some reason. Anyway, there was this guy in it who had the name Mahershallalhashbaz Something or other.

  Great stuff. Anyone heard of the show or the actor?
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  Help in finding a previous topic.

  by moggy lover in

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  at least a year or even two years ago, there was a fascinating post which listed the frequency of biblical chapters as used in watchtower literature.

  i recall that matt 24 was given the pride of place with some 10-20 thousand citations, and next in descending order were other chapters.

  some chapters such as john 2 and 3 were hardly referred to at all.. i know that i saved it to my hard drive but, in researching some material about the "generation" of matt 24, can not trace it.

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  moggy lover

  At least a year or even two years ago, there was a fascinating post which listed the frequency of biblical chapters as used in Watchtower literature. I recall that Matt 24 was given the pride of place with some 10-20 thousand citations, and next in descending order were other chapters. Some chapters such as John 2 and 3 were hardly referred to at all.

  I know that I saved it to my hard drive but, in researching some material about the "generation" of Matt 24, can not trace it. [I have to sought my files out, honestly]

  Anyone remember it? He asked, hopefully?
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  Resurrection or redemption 3 times?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  anyone like to chime in on what they think this scripture means.....job 33:23-29, but i'm quoting just vs 28, 29. i checked 3 bible translations all say the same thing........"he has redeemed my soul from passing into the pit, and my life itself will see the light.

  look!

  all these things god performs, two times, three times, in the case of an able-bodied man, to turn back his soul from the pit, that he may be enlightend with the light of those living..

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  moggy lover

  It appears that this entire section beginning with verse 1 in chap 33 is a discourse by Elihu, one of Job's comforters and during this discourse one of the things he touches on is how God communicates with humankind to save them form the ravages of a hazardous afterlife in what is called the "pit".

  He already alluded to two of these ways prior to that part of Chap 33 that you quote. First there are "visions" [vss 15-17] then are "afflictions" [vss 19-22] and now in this section he introduces a third. This is a "malekh" which can be translated as "angel" or "messenger" and who acts as mediator. The identity of this mediator is not discussed, except to say that he would be "one among a thousand" or a very rare person indeed. However this may have another meaning. According to the New Bible Commentary this "angel" or "messenger" being "one in a thousand" may also mean that God has several of these ministering angels of mercy.

  This messenger does the following:

  1 "reminds the man what is right for him" [23]

  2 "mediates and says [to God]: be garcious to him and deliver him from the pit" [24]

  3 " finds a ransom for him" [24]

  4 This messenger pleads with God that the man be returned to good health. [25]

  As a result of this ministration the person is healed, prays to God, and is accepted by God [26]

  He repents [27, 28]

  Vs 29 is problemactic. The words "two, three, times" are idiomatic and could either be literal or metaphorical:

  1 If literal it would refer to the three means that Elihu has discussed about how God communicates: Visions, illness, an angel.

  2 Or it may simply mean oftentimes [See NASB, NJB] and that God oftentimes attempts to get the person to be reconciled to God.

  The upshot is that the man who responds submissively to God's dealings with him regains good health and joy.
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  A bible I picked up, from 1901, has Jehovah in OT more then NWT

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i was at a thrift store, and picking up some different bibles to compare, this is "the holy bible containing the old and new testaments translated out of the original tongues being the version set forth in ad 1611 compared with the most ancient authorites and revised ad 1881-1885 newly edited by the american revision committee ad 1901 standard edition new york thomas nelson and sons 381-385 fourth avenue george e day secretary of the old testament company and j henry thayer secretary of the new testament company, copyright 1901 by international council of religious education".

  anyway, i was surprised to find a bible outside of nwt with jehovah everywhere in the ot, however i haven't found it once in the nt on this bible.

  was this bible associated with the jw's at the turn of the century?.

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  moggy lover

  The Bible translation you are referring to is called the American Standard Version [ASV] which was published in 1901 as a result of a copyright agreement with the Revised Version translation committee.

  In 1881, when what was called the Westcott and Hort NT text was published, it was decided to revise the KJV which was based on an inferior text. The Revised Version Translation Committee was made up of British and American scholars. During the course of the work certain minor disagreements arose as to the way the translation should proceed. On the one hand the Americans were more radical than their British counterparts who wanted a minimalist revision that kept as close to the KJV as possible.

  The Americans saw themselves as bringing a fresh approach to the traditional renderings of the KJV. One of the areas of disagreement was the use of Jehovah in the OT as consistently as possible, whereas the British revisers wished to keep to the traditional LORD. It was agreed that when the British edition of the Revised Version [RV] was published in 1881 the Americans would hold off from publishing their version till twenty years had passed. This term expired in 1901 when what is now referred to as the ASV was released.

  In 1944, after 43 years of ownership, Thomas Nelson sold the masthead for publication of this version to the Watchtower and since then the Watchtower edition of the ASV was very popular. In 1950 the Watchtower embarked on its own version of the NT which was released as the NWT of the Christian Greek Scriptures.

  The rank and file at this time would rip out the NT section of the ASV and bind it together with the NWT NT so that they had a continuous version that used Jehovah in both the NT and the Old.

  In 1960 the Lockman foundation then purchased the rights to publish the ASV and promptly began a revision. This soon came to be known as the NASV and this is without doubt the most scholarly translation from a conservative, literal point of view. It is still selling very well and is second only to the NIV in world wide sales. The NASV reverted to the traditional use of LORD in the text basically because the word "Jehovah" which is neither Hebrew nor English, being a mongrel hybrid, does not represent any advancement in theological studies.

  In 2001 the NASV was itself revised and since it was only available on the World Wide Web, it is come to be known as the WEB translation. Which is an acronym that can also stand for World English Bible. This latest version of the ASV uses Yahweh in the text of the OT. It can be downloaded for free from various sites such as E-Sword.

  The Watchtower no longer possesses the copyright to the ASV and it can itself be downloaded from different sites.
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  How long is a "generation"?

  by cameo-d in

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  there seems to be so much controversy over defining what exactly a 'generation' is.. i have heard it said a generation is 25 years; some claim it is 40 years; and some even say 70 years.. i think the scriptures describe the 70 years as life expectancy, with mightiness 80 years or something like that.. i don't think it is accurate to define the length of generation as the same length of time as life expectancy, but i could be wrong.. .

  anyway, i am wondering if anyone has ever done the math on this scriptural clue:.

  matthew 1:17 so all the generations from abraham to david are fourteen generations; and from david until the carrying away into babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into babylon unto christ are fourteen generations.. if one follows the lineage and a date timeline, would this give more accurately the approximation of a generation?.

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  moggy lover

  Probably a good rule of thumb would be to go back to the original source which is Jesus' words at Matt 24:34. According to the Watchtower's chronology, these words were spoken in 33 AD and were initially fulfilled in 70 AD when all those hearing those words of Christ were very much alive. They were the original source generation who would never die till they saw the fulfillment of Mat 24.

  33 AD - 70 AD makes 37 years which if rounded to a time of 40 years would give a fair summary of what a biblical generation would be.

  Indeed for several years this was official Watchtower theology. Note CT Russell's view that Christ came invisibly in 1874, and then 40 years later, or a generation later, the end would come, in 1914.

  For many years Freddy Franz maintained this view, till, after 1955, [40 years after 1914] some quick soft shoe shuffling had to be done. Ray Franz in his book "Crisis of Conscience" gives us an insight into the dilemma that faced the GB in the mid 1980s as they strove to get this albatross off their backs.

  It is obvious that the two periods that Watchtower theology has determined were involved in the fulfillment of Matt 24, the first century and our modern times, just don't gel.

  The first century was indeed one generation 33-70 AD

  Our present time has already lasted 96 years almost a century 1914-2010.

  One would need to be inhibited by a certain all-pervasive blindness to miss the fact that something has gone goofy with Watchtower explanations for Matt 24.
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  Michael Jackson planned to convert to Islam, according to his brother Jermaine.

  by Dogpatch in

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  by philippa bourke author end jan 22, 2010, 3:20 gmt.

  michael jackson planned to convert to islam, according to his brother jermaine.. jermaine alleges the late king of pop, 50, was close to converting shortly before he died suddenly last june.. jermaine himself converted to islam in 1989 after being raised with his siblings as a jehovah's witness.. michael was in the process of studying islam and was moved by its teachings when he spent a year living in the bahrain region, jackson said.. he said: 'i believe that islam would have helped him a lot.

  had he converted, he would have been spared all the problems he had been subjected to throughout his life.'.

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  moggy lover

  I did hear that his religious convictions were under a cloud, but I take it he was buried according to Watchtower custom, whatever that means.